Scarlet
I never get tired of it.

Mitchell
I know. I was actually kind of singing along the other day. You were singing along today. Yeah. I heard it. Okay. Yeah, we are back. Episode 16.

Scarlet
17?

Mitchell
No. Sweet 16, I thought.

Scarlet
Okay.

Mitchell
Oh, is it 17?

Scarlet
I don’t know. I changed the number. It could be wrong.

Mitchell
I think it’s 16.

Scarlet
Okay, that’s fine.

Mitchell
Listen, let’s do this.

Scarlet
Yeah, let’s just do it. I don’t care what number it is.

Mitchell
Okay, spill a little tea. Drink up. This is, okay, Scarlet Mitchell doing the most. Our podcast, I think it’s episode 16. Neither one of us could pull up the stupid website look that’s okay i can pull it up for those who are playing along at home this is a podcast and we’re both nurses we got a lot going on or do we and it’s really when you want to why are you listening to this because you want to feel better about your own life that’s really what i tell people are you worried about how messy your life is and how things stink go listen to our podcast and you’ll realize yeah your life’s your life’s wonderful not that ours is so bad now now that sounds a little bit mean it’s 16 sorry episode 16 sweet 16 you um it feels like you know people have now i’m digging a hole about people have it worse off than us what i’m saying is we got a lot of stuff sometimes we’re doing the most sometimes we’re not today was kind of a i i called out sick because i needed one more day of not working because i don’t like working and uh Now all I’m worried about is my camera’s set up here. So, how are you doing?

Scarlet
How are you today, lovely wife? I have had zero energy.

Mitchell
And you think it’s the weather?

Scarlet
I don’t know. I think it’s a lot of things. I’m not going to get all spiritual and metaphysical on here. We’ll put a pin in that. But the cloudiness, the dreariness, it doesn’t help.

Mitchell
We’ll unpack that later, as they like to say. Yeah, I mean, I thought you loved this kind of weather.

Scarlet
it’s not raining it’s kind of i do but i was telling you earlier you make me feel guilty for being lazy well okay i don’t think you do it intentionally it’s probably something that i put it put on myself but maybe you’ll be like oh you’re laying in bed again well you’re still on the couch

Mitchell
yeah i am so you know i this is interesting because sometimes i wonder is this some somewhere deep down maybe is it like i’m doing that thing where it’s like i really want to be this lazy but i don’t want to i have to put up this this exterior of like i’m gonna go go go get her go

Scarlet
get her like and like you are but you don’t know how to just like not do something which is i feel

Mitchell
that kind of makes me a little sad for you i guess wait you know what’s funny i don’t know if that’s your adhd or this is unplanned oh i have this thing i call it journal oof don’t yeah this is

Scarlet
unplanned unsketched wait unrehearsed you call your journal what journal okay

Mitchell
but here’s how it works here’s it literally says why do i do this start a new journal somewhere the scattered and smattered approach to writing stuff down then i go through the mental gymnastics of trying to analyze why am I doing this? What in me feels like I need to record a moment or a feeling or a thought? Do I want others to know one day as if they will have access to the deep recesses of my digital life or even care? And then I, I mean, I’m not reading, I mean, then I talk about my episodes lately. Don’t worry about that, folks. If you haven’t listened, I don’t know if we’ve gone into all my quote episodes, sorry.

Scarlet
I don’t think we have. But it’s okay.

Mitchell
Actually, it’d probably make me cry if I read too much of this.

Scarlet
However, I do use some,

Mitchell
like, so the last two little segments of this entry. And the reason I have paper entries,

Scarlet
I have startled journals

Mitchell
all over the place.

Scarlet
I know.

Mitchell
And why?

Scarlet
You tell me. Do you ever wonder,

Mitchell
like, do you, but is it, is there some deep down need to feel we are heard or that you want someone to discover it or not? You know what I’m saying? It’s kind of a strange thing. Journaling. I know, like diary kind of thing and maybe, I don’t want to blur the lines. It’s like, you’re Lewis and Clark, you’re writing it for history. You’re writing your own like secret, my dear diary. Like, is it therapeutic?

Scarlet
I think it has to do with, I think you’re onto something. I think it’s the same reason that you chew your skin. Because you have so much that you’re keeping in. It has to, that energy has to come out in some ways. And for some people, that’s nail biting. Skin chewing for you.

Mitchell
Okay.

Scarlet
Around your fingers. If you want to show people your thumbs.

Mitchell
Well, they’re not bad. Like my worst finger right now might be this one. I don’t know if that’s.

Scarlet
Or, you know, people have.

Mitchell
That’s interesting.

Scarlet
So I think you need to express yourself in these ways because you’re afraid to just tell people how you feel because you’re such a people pleaser. and you don’t want to disappoint them by telling you telling them me our our kids your son your other kids like how you’re really feeling about

Mitchell
certain things am i anywhere close yeah but like i have record scratch i have like i often talk about we all have what i like to call your secret world

Scarlet
inside right and i mean that like it’s not the symbol it is a car or something the secret world

Mitchell
inside where you have like your secret life and i don’t mean secret like you know i’m a serial

Scarlet
killer no no i get you it’s those thoughts you have where you’re like if people were in my head and knew the thoughts that i was having they would think i’m the worst person right or i live in that

Mitchell
world oh yeah or in my case with my episodes i think that i might be actually crazy like i have fears that i’m going to be committed to an institution we’re not going there today my last little line though i wrote here or my last little thing says adhd maybe this is true i sort of hate how distracted i become while trying to do something and how it just takes away from my focus and my ability to complete like even now i want to look at something else and then i didn’t keep writing because i was distracted but i i actually so you know i’m not laughing i’m no we

Scarlet
can’t probably because i walked in or something or max came in and you i don’t know i think it was

Mitchell
just some other thing popped in my house like i need to do this like yeah so here’s what i’m saying one dear the listeners i am not uh i don’t i’m not diagnosed with adhd which okay hold on which Which is not to say I am, one, I don’t want to throw that term around and offend anyone because I’m a people pleaser. But I also am willing to entertain the thought, man, I hear the little low level noise. It bothers me. I’m willing to entertain the thought that maybe I do have this. And what I once thought was sort of a superpower. Right? Like, ooh, this makes me, I can like hyper-focus on stuff and get her done and be creative. And now it’s become like a super liability and I kind of, it’s distressing to live my life in 7,000 directions at once. There. Okay. Yeah. And that was because you mentioned something. Sorry. And I’m distracted by some sound in my headphones.

Scarlet
It’s in my headphones too. Does that mean it’s going to be in the recording?

Mitchell
Could be. could be everybody um just more work for me to try to get the crap out of the but now it’s gone are you wearing some sort of digital something it doesn’t really matter okay listeners hang on tight so anyways we were talking we actually have show notes episode 16

Scarlet
this is a great segue okay actually into what i want to talk about okay i’m all ears literally because i can’t stop listening the movie that we’ve been watching on repeat oh dear

Mitchell
k-pop demon hunters yes okay yeah there’s a lot there’s lots of extra sounds folks we live in what is that i don’t know i don’t have to edit any of this just move on folks

Scarlet
Oh, my gosh.

Mitchell
If you hear something in the background, folks, it is just us being us. So, K-pop Demon Hunters, I put that on the list. But mine was under movies and shows we’re watching.

Scarlet
Okay. And you’re saying… Yes, but I don’t… Okay, sure. Let’s talk about it as if we’re talking about a movie.

Mitchell
Okay. And? Well… Well, I put it on here. I was like, where did this come from? And in this sense, I’d seen it kind of on Netflix. I’d seen it peripherally. It’d been in my periphery. And I was like, yeah. And then like, I don’t know. It just keeps popping up. And the name for me, K-pop Demon Hunters, it just sounded like, I thought it was just kind of like a Barbie.

Scarlet
Well, and it’s animated. Yeah.

Mitchell
It’s kind of like, I wrote it off. And then I don’t know how you got me to watch it or I don’t know what happened.

Scarlet
I don’t know. I was just like drawn to it. So one day with Max, I was like, hey, I want to watch this. I thought it was a show, like a series. I was like, hey, Max, I want to watch this K-pop Demon Hunters. And, you know, him being four and his attention span being that of a four-year-old. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So distracted. Stay with me.

Mitchell
Stay with me.

Scarlet
I know. So we probably watched like 15 minutes of it. And I was probably watching it while doing something on my phone. I probably wasn’t really even watching it. Right. And then I don’t know why I started seeing like stuff pop up on my social media about it. And I was like, okay, I’m going to give this another go. And I am not like an animated movie person. That’s just like not my, I’m barely a movie person.

Mitchell
Yeah, I was just going to say.

Scarlet
So I’m, but I want to be. It’s just me sitting still for that long. Right. Which is weird because you, Mr. ADHD, have the capacity to sit still for three and a half hour movie. Yeah.

Mitchell
That’s what would have been in there. We’ll unpack that later.

Scarlet
Okay. So anyways, I watched it with him and I was immediately hooked.

Mitchell
Because of the songs?

Scarlet
Well, I think at first it was the songs. Yeah. but then it was like one of you know that thing where the first is the music that catches you right and then you start listening to the words of the song right and then the songs are like stuck in your head because they have narcotics or something that you yeah some level of crack

Mitchell
is embedded in there yeah it’s called the earworm i think but okay um and yeah i’ve just been

Scarlet
to me it was one of those movies where it was a little bit mind-altering for me and then you even

Mitchell
cried during that one song yeah you see it for some reason because yeah by the way i want to talk about that song in a minute okay if nobody i just want to quick not a plug but if you’re not heard of k-pop demon hunters it’s a netflix movie and it’s it is and they all tell it to you as brought to you by the same people that brought you spider-man across the spider-verse or the multiverse Spider-Man, right? I mean, that’s how I, right? That’s how I’m just telling people, if you haven’t heard of it, I don’t know if we’re doing any spoiler alerts because I don’t know if there can really be a spoiler in this movie because it’s… It’s totally kid-friendly. It’s not a reveal per se. People are like, ooh, demons.

Scarlet
I’m like, no, the demons are cute.

Mitchell
Right. Well, and then I think what I enjoy about it is that we were talking about, it’s like, is, I want to say, is metaphor the right word I’m looking for or it’s like symbolic, the demons? within us and some of that which is why it’s like oh it’s it’s a for the first time like i like a lot of Pixar movies because i feel Pixar is written smartly for adults and kids there’s plenty of humor and there’s plenty of layers in a Pixar movie i that’s why i like Pixar because i feel like oh they put enough that adults can enjoy it with their kids and there’s other studios that do that this one is enjoyable as an adult but for me it’s not because they put adult humor and that sounds wrong you know i mean like there’s references in toy story that only adults get that kids yeah it’s not because of that but because of the second layer to me of meaning of the demons within us like this kind of like oh i think i enjoyed that for that reason and max will never understand that

Scarlet
until he gets older yeah he will at some point but you know it’s one of those things where as kids like one of my favorite movies growing up was the fox and the hound yeah and like i didn’t understand i was just like oh it’s a cute movie what even goes through your mind as a child when you’re watching a movie you know um i guess you’re just watching the animation it’s just pure purely for entertainment right but then the other day um a scene popped up and And it’s the scene where she takes, was his name Copper? I forget the fox’s name. But she’s raised this fox into an adult. And she’s taking him back out into the woods to set him free. And he’s, I can’t even talk about it. And he’s confused by it. He’s like, why are you leaving me? And.

Mitchell
You know, I don’t want to tell you this. I’ve never seen the movie. I’m familiar.

Scarlet
Well, don’t watch it as an adult because it’ll just destroy you.

Mitchell
Oh, I’m sorry. Well, and I’m guilty, or is it my parents? I grew up partly in Europe, and we didn’t have access to American stuff.

Scarlet
I know what we’re going to talk about. Anytime things get emotional, you just make a joke about it.

Mitchell
That is true. No, well, no, that is true. So I haven’t seen Fox and the Hound. I haven’t seen Lady and the Tramp. I just know the scene with the meatball and spaghetti like that.

Scarlet
I never really watched.

Mitchell
Aristocats, I may have seen some of that. Yeah, so I don’t know if it was my childhood. I read a lot of books. Anyways, you were saying, do you think as an adult it would be as good or better? Fox and the Hound.

Scarlet
Better.

Mitchell
Because, and I’m just going to use a different movie. There’s a movie called The Dark Crystal. And this is Jim Henson and it’s Muppets. And when I was, this probably came out, I’m going to say 85, 86. I’m just throwing that out there, somewhere in there. And I cherished that movie. And we had it on VHS tape. And I watched it over and over and over. And then once as an adult, I was like, hey, it was on something. I was like, The Dark Crystal. I was like, I’m going to watch this show. And I was like bored to tears. I was like, I mean, I was watching it. And I was like, how as a child did this hold my attention? This is the longest movie I’ve ever seen. And it could have been my mood at the moment. But I just remember being like, I remember having that moment going like, I cherish this as a kid and I can respect that. But like, it’s not keeping me here as an adult. All I kept waiting for was the scenes that I loved as a kid, you know. And that felt like there were hours between those scenes. That’s why I’m like, oh, maybe I should watch this Lady and the, not Lady and the Tramp, Fox and the Hound.

Scarlet
Only if you want your soul destroyed.

Mitchell
I am going to do a Disney Canine Weekend. I’ll watch Fox and the Hound, Lady and the Tramp, and then 101 Dalmatians.

Scarlet
I don’t know if Fox and the Hound’s Disney. It probably is.

Mitchell
Yeah, the animation’s pretty Disney.

Scarlet
Yeah.

Mitchell
I just feel like it’s back in that era.

Scarlet
So anyways, K-pop demon.

Mitchell
Right, okay. You’re going to go over the lyrics on this segment.

Scarlet
So the song is called What It Sounds Like. Mm-hmm. And then I want to give my, I guess, notes on, I don’t know, how it’s relevant to life or today. Nothing but the truth now. Nothing but the proof of what I am. The worst of what I came from. Patterns that I’m ashamed of. Things that even…

Mitchell
You got this.

Scarlet
Oh, my God. I’ve never cried during one of these. This is so…

Mitchell
Oh, that’s usually my job. I’m sorry, everybody. Today’s part of crying will be taken by you.

Scarlet
The worst of what I’ve came from, patterns I’m ashamed of, things that even I don’t understand. I tried to fix it. I tried to fight it. My head was twisted. My heart divided. My lies all collided. I don’t know why I didn’t trust you to be on my… Help me!

Mitchell
Okay. I don’t know why I didn’t trust you to be on my side I broke into a million pieces and I can’t go back but now I’m seeing all the beauty in the broken glass the scars are part of me darkness and harmony my voice without the lies this is what it sounds like okay there’s more to this everyone I’m going to let you have a moment because you’re making me cry this wasn’t was this on your agenda okay well okay do you want me i can keep reading right but i thought i’m just trying not to break out in song and then why did i why did i cover up the colors stuck inside my head i should have let the jagged edges meet the light instead show me what’s underneath i’ll find your harmony the song we couldn’t write this is what it sounds like okay next verse yeah unless you want me to hold on it gets a little more right we’re shattering the silence we’re rising defiant shouting in the quiet you’re not alone we listen to the demons we let them get between us but none of us are out here on our own so we were cowards so we were liars so we’re not heroes we’re still survivors the dreamers the fighters no lying i’m tired but dive in the fire and i’ll be right here by your side now

Scarlet
okay you can stop i was just gonna say too for those who have not seen it there’s three people

Mitchell
three of the the k-pop gals three uh the three singers the three main people this is the song that they’re singing so there’s kind of each apart right here um so

Scarlet
if I can pull my thoughts together now.

Mitchell
And why it resonated with you.

Scarlet
Am I even going to get through this episode? Okay.

Mitchell
Well,

Scarlet
we can look at demons as traumas that have shaped who we are, whether it be abuse, by a parent, by a partner, and how that has shaped who we are today. But I also, I think what feels even more relevant to me is the part where it’s saying, we listen to the demons, we let them get between us, but none of us are out here on our own. And I think of, I just think of like the political climate. And that’s not even where it starts. It starts with indoctrination. At such a young age. I grew up in church.

Mitchell
You grew up in church.

Scarlet
We are taught from young ages to, you were born in this country. This country is the most important country in the world. You were born a white person. The color of your skin makes you the most special person in the world.

Mitchell
Right.

Scarlet
And then that’s validated in school. Like you have the Pledge of Allegiance. You’re pledging allegiance to a piece of cloth. And I’m sorry, I’m going to get like really real here as far as like how I feel. Because, and then you go to church and the same thing. And then even more, like, things are what I considered man-made ideas. Like, everything is man-made. Borders are man-made. Beliefs are man-made. Like, if you can just look at it that way and zoom out. And zoom out from, like, where you are. And just realize, like, touch someone who is not of your skin color and they’re still human. And they are here on this earth having a human experience just like you are. And we are taught at such a young age from birth. From birth. Like, we are taught that. Do you know what I mean?

Mitchell
Yeah.

Scarlet
Like, we’re, I mean, I’m at a loss of words because to me, like, everyone knows what I want to say. It’s so crystal clear. And I’m trying not to, like, I’m tiptoeing because this is not a political podcast. But guess what? I don’t, I’m tired of labels. I’m tired of, like, you’re red, you’re blue, you’re liberal, you’re conservative. Like, it doesn’t matter. It’s all made up. And like, I don’t, so maybe I lean blue, but like, I’m tired of being labeled that because ultimately at the end of the day, I just care about humans.

Mitchell
Right.

Scarlet
I just care about humanity and I care about the horrible things that are happening and the people that other people are listening to saying that it’s okay to do those things. And that I’m just, some days I wake up and it feels so heavy. It’s hard to get out of bed. You know what I mean? And you’re just like, I can’t believe I have to live another day and this. And I kind of feel like I’ve been lied to my whole life about, like, the things that are coming out now. I feel like I’ve been lied to my whole life. Like, our political system is just a joke and it’s just a bunch of pedophiles. It doesn’t matter what side of the aisle you’re on.

Mitchell
you know like i mean which gives a little resonance to bo burnham’s lyrics by the way

Scarlet
totally like truth brother like a prophet of our time like for god’s sakes go listen to inside bo burnham like yeah like him and i were both born in 1990 we’re both millennials you know But like, he is so right. It is about top versus bottom. It is about wealthy people trying to crush our spirits. And it’s working. We’re letting it work. And all the time that it’s actually happening, they’re like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don’t be mad at the rich people. You need to be mad at Charlie Kirk. You need to be mad at, you know, this, like, whatever liberal. I don’t even listen to the liberal podcasters. That’s not my MO, you know? And then that terrible thing happened yesterday. And while I don’t, and they don’t even know who did it. And they were already pointing fingers.

Mitchell
Right.

Scarlet
You don’t even, that’s absurd. That is absurd that you were already pointing fingers. Like, and causing more violence.

Mitchell
Right.

Scarlet
Before, you don’t even have the facts, you know? So, yes, to me, this song, all of this, it goes from, like, the beginning of time, from, like, religious indoctrination, cultural indoctrination. And, yes, culture is important. I’m white. We borrow people’s culture, okay? Like, white people, we don’t got our own culture. We are out here borrowing people’s culture because we are such cultureless, boring people.

Mitchell
so okay no well no i so we and this is what’s funny right so i don’t want to have to defend the fact that i’m a white male but sometimes i but that’s my but that’s my only point of view i mean i i try to see things from other points of view i’m not saying that that i’m just saying like but my only experience is lived as a american white male which but you are also an empath

Scarlet
and you were able to put yourself in the shoes of a right you know a palestinian who is starving and whose daughter and son are starving because they are unable to feed their children whose cats are starving which also makes me cry like it all makes me cry right right well no so i guess what

Mitchell
i’m saying is i don’t want i never want anyone to presume anything but it’s i mean so it’s back to this song because there’s this that we listen to the demons we let them get between us right but none of us here we talked about this one i’m laughing because i always used to say

Scarlet
it’s a political show and it can and it still is i’m an apolitical person i just care about humans

Mitchell
no i’m not denying that i’m saying we used to talk about how sometimes it feels like the real goal of the media and politicians so now i’m being political ish is like we used to kind of talk like their real goal is to make sure that the bottom 95 of us fight each other fight 100 and

Scarlet
we and we let it happen every day we wake up and we turn on whatever is your new source and we just let the indoctrination continue to happen right you know like oh it’s hard to escape i mean and

Mitchell
It’s funny, so we work in a hospital, and we often talk about sometimes you will develop a relationship with a patient, a professional relationship. And then they’ll turn on a news channel, and suddenly it’s funny how you’re like, oh, this news channel, right? But, right, and sometimes it, you know.

Scarlet
Because I automatically go to like, you’re a hateful person.

Mitchell
Right. I just was. What I’m getting at, though, is just one of the great patients recently that I had, wonderful guy, the guy that was like, oh, I’ll get you some oxygen. I was like, I was flattered. Remember, he turned on a news station that I disagreed with. But I heard for the first time I was like, you know what? How do I know he’s not? He might that might be his news source. It might be him watching to make fun of. I have no idea. But I set it aside.

Scarlet
And I was just kind of like, you know, which I should do that all the time.

Mitchell
Right.

Scarlet
Well, we do.

Mitchell
Sometimes we work with people who are as humans, not as politicians, but as humans are kind of crummy people. And it could be because where they’re at in life. And I give them that. Like I always tell people, you’re not in the hospital on your best day. You didn’t roll in here because you were feeling fantastic. You are here because you can transplant your life’s decisions, which for whatever reason have led you here. And sometimes, I don’t say on a high horse, sometimes you get, you know how as nurses, not the men, you get frustrated. You’re like, man, well, you’re here because you made X, Y, Z choices. But I don’t know what demons they had. I don’t know. I didn’t walk a mile in their shoes. I don’t know what traumas led them to take up the habits that eventually led them into whatever it is, heart failure. And now they’re a mean person. Don’t want to be presumptuous, but sometimes that happens. But you’re talking about kind of this concept of the demons, which can be lots of things. but how they’ve come between us, and that is frustrating, because at the end of the day, yeah, we’re just all humans here, but somehow it is.

Scarlet
It’s so strange. We let them come between us. We let them.

Mitchell
Energize people, and I get energized about things.

Scarlet
I got energized about this, but ultimately I’m like, I just want everybody to get along. I truly mean that.

Mitchell
Oh, you’re joining my side.

Scarlet
I know you’re like, do you live in this house?

Mitchell
I’m like, I do.

Scarlet
Listen, I understand the hypocrisy of what I’m saying. But also, I…

Mitchell
No, it’s okay. I’m glad that this song struck a chord in you, or at least three-part harmony. This is what it sounds like. Sorry. See, that’s me. That’s me making jokes, too. But, yeah. Well, okay, this is interesting. We’re in this space, everybody. it’s interesting because when tragedy strikes we all frequently in those communities people can set aside a lot of the garbage for those moments and it’s so unfortunate i am always like it’s like a it’s like bittersweet it’s like great that people we were watching the katrina it’s great that people like didn’t care what side of whatever aisle whatever color like it was about saving humans it was about community and then when the tragedy dies down and things dive down people forget about it and i don’t know it’s kind of weird that we need why is our safety to fall back on hatred why is that our safety right well i don’t know and why is that our that’s a terrible comfort zone to be in but that seems to be but that’s the pattern of trauma you know like that

Scarlet
That is the pattern of trauma is you grow up and you’re like, oh, I am going to go back to that person that abused me because that’s weirdly my safe place.

Mitchell
Right.

Scarlet
That’s all I know.

Mitchell
Being a victim or…

Scarlet
All I knew for so long.

Mitchell
Yeah. Well, okay. So, how do you affect change? How does one affect change?

Scarlet
Be a light. A light worker, as the spiritual community would call it.

Mitchell
Frustrating?

Scarlet
Just trying to have a human moment with a person. Like Sydney was telling me the other day, she went to Trader Joe’s. Sydney is a gal I work with. And the lady was checking her out. And she was like, tell me something good that happened to you today. And Sydney was like, totally caught off guard. But she was like, it was my daughter’s first day of kindergarten. And then the lady was like, oh, that’s so awesome. might have you know she went on about her kids and then sydney goes well tell me something good that happened to you today and the lady was just so caught off guard because she had been asking people these questions right trying to have a human moment with them but it was clear that nobody had been asking her the same question and so you know so she gave her a little spiel about whatever and it was just like sydney was like you know and just just that moment was such a light in my day and it really was kind of like a pivotal point and the rest of my day was just like such a good day with my kids and like you can just be a light worker well like one of those people like her yeah

Mitchell
brought to you by trader joe’s um sorry um well no it’s a share and that was a shared experience you know that’s what’s interesting like sharing with a stranger it was like uplifting moment

Scarlet
Which is, why is it so weird to have these moments with strangers anymore? Because it seems like the moment, and I’m guilty of this, the moment that we are on the elevator with a stranger, we’re like this.

Mitchell
Oh, yeah. Because we’re afraid.

Scarlet
It’s almost like we’re afraid of that interaction with people.

Mitchell
Speaking of elevators, my brother, who’s no longer with us, he used to like to, he was very interesting. But he would always make comments like, why does everyone get on the elevator and immediately they just turn around and they face the door? like everyone faces just the same direction and it’s kind of funny so when he’d get out of elevator he would just face the back and just stand and so i do that sometimes when it’s a full elevator i just stand and it’s just funny how some people kind of get uncomfortable or other people are like they’re trying to look past the fact that you’re just looking at everyone in a captive audience but is that funny like you know yeah we just you know you know it is kind of the phone thing is kind of interesting i mean our culture and and being caught up in the phones so much like i i grew up in the

Scarlet
south which can be an ugly place but like i would say my town was the friendliest town in america but it’s not the deep south mayberry aka mount airy north carolina but it wasn’t uncommon for my dad to be driving down the road and him just you know it is a country road and you see somebody that drives by and you just throw up your hand and wave and they wave back complete stranger you

Mitchell
know right that wasn’t like an uncommon thing driving around the road reading the paper

Scarlet
no my dad ain’t reading no paper the only thing he’s ever read is the holy bible so

Mitchell
oh yeah no i mean there’s something so it’s kind of interesting small-town america some of that

Scarlet
kind of vibe of like or like walking past somebody on the street and being like hey how you doing You do that, you’ll be like, hey, howdy, and I’ll just be like…

Mitchell
You hate it when we’re in a line anywhere. I don’t want to. I mean, I think that’s the introverted part of me, but I can at least look up and smile at somebody.

Scarlet
Maybe just a simple little smile and nod will turn around somebody’s day.

Mitchell
Yeah, I try to do that. Well, remember, now this is so stupid, but when I went to nursing school, I only had one goal for myself. And that was to make one person smile once a day. That was it. That was like my bar. Like, if I can get one smile out of somebody, that was all I needed. And I’ve maintained that. Like, if I have a grumpy patient and I can get them to smile, and I’ll be like, I got that smile. And they don’t know what I’m talking about, but I always laugh because I’m like, ha, ha, ha.

Scarlet
Yeah.

Mitchell
And I feel like I’m good that way. I feel like I get good smiles and laughs out of people who are often like, oh, he’s a real jerk and he X, Y, Z. And I like to just kind of work my magic, if you will, with a patient, which is, I like that. So it’s interesting. I always ask, are you from the Pacific Northwest? Do you have any cats or dogs? What do you like to do when you’re not here at the hospital. Like, I always try to find out a little bit about people. And that’s usually why if they come back a year later, I’m like, oh, hey, XYZ, how is so-and-so? You still have the dogs? Blah, blah, blah. And they’re like, wow, you remember that? I was like, yeah. Because, like, those facts to me, I always think more. I’m not being Patch Adams. But it’s like, you’re not just, you know, chronic kidney disease, type 2 diabetes, congestive heart failure. You’re not all these things.

Scarlet
You’re also a human. who has a history and you might be a jerk but probably in the hospital in a scary vulnerable

Mitchell
position right now so i think i mean you know and well and like i said so the solution you know it sounds oh this is a woo-woo like you start within yourself and your house and in your work but like how do you instill this into your child how do you make sure he is our child i mean like he is not quote indoctrinated or i mean yeah because we’ve talked remember we have a whole episode going to

Scarlet
sunday school a few sundays and i was like i don’t know about this you remember we did have an episode

Mitchell
called church without the church or something yeah we tried to sell that idea which i’m still behind right yeah which is a place you go to meet and have community without religion also i guess that’s Maybe the mall. I don’t know. So.

Scarlet
No. Yeah. I know what you mean.

Mitchell
You’re pretty passionate about this, though. And we were talking about how, like, but are you going to go? So do you ebb and flow? Are there days, though, when you’re still like, oh, back to the politics. So I, some days at work, I told you, like, if I, some days I don’t pay attention to any news. And I just, because I’m burned out. I’m like, I’ve given up hope. I mean, it sounds sad, but I’m like, oh, I’ve given up hope for our United States political system. Sorry, folks. I just, some days I’m just like, yeah, this ain’t, I don’t know what to do. So what I’ve done often, though, is I’ll just search for like a cat pictures or something. And there’s actually a good news network you can go and it’s just like good stories. Like, it’s kind of interesting how the news is frequently just, I mean, normal news, a lot of garbage, not garbage. It’s just a lot of stuff that makes you feel tragic. You know, it’s another school shooting, another weird murder, another this, another that.

Scarlet
Another bombing and, you know.

Mitchell
Versus, yeah, something which is like, oh, woman gives birth on airplane to twins delivered by, you know. I don’t know. That’s a really silly example. But I’m saying like things that make you feel like, hey, humanity came together in that moment. And they were all able to set aside their differences for whatever it was. And why can’t we do that more often? And why is our comfort space back to, well, you know, living our traumas, letting the demons come between us? Anyway, well, K-pop demon hunters.

Scarlet
Yeah, thank you for letting me share that.

Mitchell
Okay, well, I mean, it makes everything else I have to talk about pretty lame.

Scarlet
This is a great segue into washcloths.

Mitchell
I was literally just thinking about washcloths.

Scarlet
I know. We’re on the same wavelength right now.

Mitchell
I know. Well, I was because… So I traveled across America. Well, halfway. I traveled to Minnesota. We talked about it on episode, oh, what, 17? No, 15. 15. And before I left, I was like… So I was probably talking. I like to use the little artificial loofah, the little fake sponge, a shower thing, right?

Scarlet
It’s a loofah, yeah. It’s a loofah.

Mitchell
I like to use that. I’ve used that for a long, long time. We may be even talking about that. But I was like, I’m just going to make it across America. I’ll use the washcloths in the hotel rooms. I’ll be fine. Totally fine. This is not an issue. That first hotel, I was with this washcloth and a little miniature bar of soap, and I’m like rubbing them together. And I literally had the moment like, why didn’t I just bring a loofah? This is the dumbest thing. Like, then, like, nothing’s lathering. And I’m just, I got this wet washcloth. It’s heavy. And I’m just kind of dragging it across my body. At some point, I’m using it like, kind of like a squeegee.

Scarlet
Yeah, if anybody can tell us how to use a washcloth. Because we are a loofah family. I’ve been using a loofah since, like, high school.

Mitchell
Yeah, I was just like, I don’t know what, how it’s, like, do I ball it up? and then it’s just like, but it’s still not, it’s not giving me good feedback with foam unless you like really work it in there. But then I just have like a piece of cloth filled with soapy. I was just kind of like regretting a lot of things. And ultimately I was like, I don’t even know if I feel really clean when I get out of the shower. I mean, maybe the only thing is I take the whole thing and I kind of throw it on my back and I just slide it up. But I’m like, I don’t know if it’s really exfoliating or really doing much here.

Scarlet
A washcloth, what?

Mitchell
Yeah.

Scarlet
Oh my gosh. So my family is a washcloth family.

Mitchell
Are they a washcloth family?

Scarlet
Yeah. Maybe not my mom because I think she brings a loofah. But when I go visit my dad or when my brother comes to visit, washcloths will pile up in the shower. Because they use one washcloth per shower. And that’s how my childhood was. I would sometimes shower. For some reason, I think my shower was broken, so I was using my parents’ shower. They had better water pressure or something. And so I would get in their shower, and there would be in the corner just a pile of used washcloths.

Mitchell
Oh.

Scarlet
Until.

Mitchell
So this is not just a brother thing. This is a.

Scarlet
Family thing.

Mitchell
Oof. Sorry. I mean, oh.

Scarlet
Until somebody got around to doing the towels.

Mitchell
Just a pile of washcloths.

Scarlet
Yeah. Interesting. Just like marinating there.

Mitchell
I mean, because if, okay, let’s say I was a washcloth user, I would probably like wring it out, throw it somewhere to hang, even if I’m just going to get a new one.

Scarlet
Well, no, we don’t use a washcloth for Max.

Mitchell
We use it like for his face. I use it mainly because, yeah.

Scarlet
But nothing else. And we have a loofah for him.

Mitchell
Yeah.

Scarlet
And then we wring it out, put it up. We’ll use it for a few days because we’re just using it in clean water on his face.

Mitchell
Right. So, yeah. So, I mean, that’s with him. He gets the washcloth. Yeah. And it’s mainly because I feel like I don’t need a lot of soap in it. Just some warm water. Gentle on his face. He’s not washing his face. Because I don’t use a loofah on my face either. Or a washcloth. I use my hands and a little thing. So, I would probably have a different approach if I were a washcloth person. But I’m, I don’t know.

Scarlet
I don’t think you even know how to use. I don’t know how to use one.

Mitchell
It’s just, I mean.

Scarlet
I thought they were for, like, cleaning stuff.

Mitchell
It’s like, yeah, it’s just a kitchen rag. Why not?

Scarlet
You’re like cleaning your body? Okay, no, but like for cleaning stuff. Like you’re…

Mitchell
I’m going to clean the shower.

Scarlet
Your mom gave us a bunch of washcloths when we moved in because we were deep cleaning stuff.

Mitchell
Yeah.

Scarlet
And they smell like mothballs. I still don’t…

Mitchell
Oh, that’s on my list too. Do you see that? It’s right under a washcloth. I know. Mothballs.

Scarlet
Because like, what are they even for?

Mitchell
That’s the question.

Scarlet
To make everything smell awful?

Mitchell
Yeah, like I don’t…

Scarlet
And like you will die with that smell. Like whatever is in that cabinet will never not smell like that.

Mitchell
Yeah. Like is it? So, okay. Washcloss.

Scarlet
Do they kill the moths?

Mitchell
Do they keep them away? Do they kill them?

Scarlet
Does the smell? It keeps me away.

Mitchell
Yeah.

Scarlet
Does it keep the moths away? How much? Where are you buying them?

Mitchell
Why is something associated with old people? Right? Like, because my.

Scarlet
Where do you buy them?

Mitchell
I don’t know.

Scarlet
Like, am I going to go to the laundry section at Walmart? it’s going to be like, oh, here’s a tub of mothballs.

Mitchell
Yeah. Do you?

Scarlet
Is it in the?

Mitchell
I’ve seen them. I know what they look like. Do they get used up?

Scarlet
Do they lose their smell or do they shrink? Do they disintegrate? Yeah.

Mitchell
No, I’m wondering. I wonder if they like slowly.

Scarlet
Listen.

Mitchell
Which actually, and you put a little baggie. Do you throw them in your pockets? How much clothing? Because moths, I thought, eat only natural textiles like wool, cotton.

Scarlet
Well, see, now I’m looking up mothballs on Amazon. and they have the cedar mothballs. That’s the thing that you have.

Mitchell
I have the cedar.

Scarlet
Because we weirdly have moths.

Mitchell
Yeah.

Scarlet
I don’t know where they came from. Probably mothballs.

Mitchell
Yeah. Maybe, did I get some old people clothes?

Scarlet
Those washcloths your mom brought over did not.

Mitchell
They had moths in them. Mom. Like, yeah, do you, yeah. Well, yeah, where?

Scarlet
Kills moths and carpet beetles.

Mitchell
Okay. Now a new concern.

Scarlet
These have a no clinging odor.

Mitchell
Oh. Okay.

Scarlet
This is on Amazon.

Mitchell
They don’t work then.

Scarlet
They got it.

Mitchell
Because I’m just being straight up. Like you either have an odor.

Scarlet
Hmm.

Mitchell
Well, so my mother has mothballs somewhere in a drawer in her little utility room. Because that’s why I take my mother. If you’re listening, I’m sorry. This is true, though. I take my own gloves, my own nitrile gloves to her house to do dishes and stuff. Because her gloves sit next to mothballs somewhere. And then they smell like mothballs, the gloves.

Scarlet
Why are gloves sitting next to mothballs?

Mitchell
I don’t know. I think they’re stored in the same area where she must have a vat of mothballs where you scoop a new. But like, so anyways, I don’t know.

Scarlet
These disintegrate within two to three days.

Mitchell
Whoa. You’re going through a lot of mothballs.

Scarlet
So they disintegrate. This person says they work great.

Mitchell
Do you put them in pockets or do you put them in a little sachet?

Scarlet
This person says end of trash can flies. Does what I need to do. Repels flies from my trash cans.

Mitchell
And guests. From your, like.

Scarlet
From your house.

Mitchell
Yeah. Or at least from taking a tour of your closet.

Scarlet
Are we talking about your outdoor trash cans? Or we’re like, I don’t, I’ve never had a fly problem. We don’t have fly problems with our trash cans.

Mitchell
It could be Oregon. Lower fly issues. I’m just saying, like, you know, this ain’t the South. We don’t have ticks and we don’t.

Scarlet
Smells similar to toilet tabs in public restrooms or honey buckets.

Mitchell
True. Not bad in my opinion. True.

Scarlet
I smell mothballs that are way worse.

Mitchell
Oh.

Scarlet
I must have for federal cats. I’m guessing they meant to say a must have for feral cats.

Mitchell
No, these are federal cats, by the way. They are government owned and licensed.

Scarlet
Strong smell keeps cats away. Okay.

Mitchell
Interesting. Wait a minute.

Scarlet
I still don’t.

Mitchell
Because I was thinking of putting mothballs on the countertops, but I can’t deal with if it keeps cats, not one cat.

Scarlet
Yeah.

Mitchell
you know one cat that will just be playing with them i’m sure yeah if we had mothballs if they

Scarlet
work on cats so anyways if anybody out there uses mothballs or know someone who uses mothballs and or why did they use using mothballs i mean i’m we’re not being stupid i understand they’re

Mitchell
getting rid of moths but like does it make you wonder like a bigger question like why do you have so many moths i mean we have we have we don’t we have little moth traps and they work yeah those are great although i’m not gonna lie i don’t know if i haven’t pulled out a wool sweater that then suddenly like flew away like in the cartoons you know it was like oh and then it’s all moths yeah

Scarlet
yeah but i don’t but like disintegrates when you hold it up because the moths have like right but

Mitchell
yeah that makes me think there’s probably our moths coming from i don’t i don’t know like

Scarlet
i don’t know but we there’s a cross base yeah there’s an attic yeah but i don’t know if the

Mitchell
moths live it’s just a strange thing it’s strange do we have a bunch of clothes that are like tattered and worn out that we don’t yeah probably true don’t know about and we’re gonna just pull

Scarlet
it out and make poof oh moths moths if we do it probably should be going to goodwill i should look

Mitchell
at my wool suits but i don’t know i don’t know yeah well moth balls yeah which speaking of non but like if you have a commentary or a thought or criticism.

Scarlet
Maybe you’re like, I use these in gardening. They’re great.

Mitchell
Or send in, you can send an email people to feedback at scarletmitchell.com. You can go to YouTube at less cats, please. And find a video and make a comment. You can go to Instagram direct message at less cats, please. You can go to blue sky if you can find it. And you can go to X or Twitter or this. Yeah. And leave a DM or whatever. Those are the options.

Scarlet
Because maybe we’re missing something.

Mitchell
But I would love to have somebody.

Scarlet
Please just send somebody. Just somebody send in an email or something.

Mitchell
Now, feedback, okay? About any of this. Okay. I mean, you’ve had your…

Scarlet
Yeah, I’m done. Fun.

Mitchell
Oh. Well, I mean, there’s a whole list of stuff. Okay, really quick then.

Scarlet
It was a good one, folks.

Mitchell
Well, hold on. Sorry I cried. Let’s wrap it up. We’re keeping it under an hour. We’re doing okay there. K-pop Demon Hunter. I have on here pop culture, movies or shows we’re watching. K-pop Demon Hunter, Netflix, we’re watching. I just recently started Dexter Resurrection, which is on…

Scarlet
Paramount? Paramount Plus.

Mitchell
Wait, not Premium Plus? I don’t know. We haven’t ironed that. Paramount Plus, I think it’s Showtime originally. It’s okay. I actually got a little sucked into it. I think Peter Dinklage is appearing in the next.

Scarlet
I think he plays a role.

Mitchell
And I think he’s appearing in one of the next episodes.

Scarlet
I loved the original Dexter. So me too. Up until the last couple seasons. Yeah. Yeah.

Mitchell
And I never finished that. But I was okay with what I got out of it. You know what I mean? Like I walked away going, I’m okay. Yeah. And then I’m watching it today and I felt kind of crummy thinking like, I’m watching a show about a person who’s a serial killer killer. And I don’t know. Should I feel good about myself? I was kind of torn about how should I feel. But then I was even getting a little anxious about things. I was getting a little like, ugh, like struggling. And then I’m like, it’s just a show. It’s just a show. Anyways, what else? The paper. I have that I might like. Just started the paper. Real quick, tell people what it is if you’re not sure. What and where?

Scarlet
It’s not a spinoff of The Office, but it is Office. Greg Daniels does this one, and it has one character from The Office, but it is not meant to be any relation to the office. It’s his own show. So I don’t even know. Maybe they were trying to attract an audience by using the office as like, oh.

Mitchell
Because it’s in Scranton.

Scarlet
No, it’s in Toledo.

Mitchell
Oh, is it?

Scarlet
Toledo Truth Teller.

Mitchell
Oh, that’s right, that’s right. But there is just this minor connection. Yeah.

Scarlet
I don’t think any of the characters are really strong.

Mitchell
Yet?

Scarlet
Yet. Okay. Because The Office also had a bunch of unknown characters and their character stories developed. So maybe the character stories need to develop and I need to get more time. But I only watched two episodes. The first episode, I did not laugh once. Oh.

Mitchell
Yeah.

Scarlet
Which kind of had me like, hmm.

Mitchell
It was a little clunky. It didn’t make me laugh at all.

Scarlet
The second episode, I was like, okay, yeah, that was cute. This is like funny.

Mitchell
I feel like if you watch the first season of The Office, it’s actually also a little bit like, there’s some cringey stuff because Michael’s character is a little bit, isn’t he a little bit like of a womanizer in the very first season?

Scarlet
I feel like people often on The Office say, yeah, skip the first season.

Mitchell
They’re like, go to the second season.

Scarlet
I feel like people say that probably because. Yeah, it’s not something you need to watch. But yeah, definitely the first season it was finding his bearings and like pre-Steve Carell hair plugs or hair transplant rather.

Mitchell
Whatever.

Scarlet
Now he’s a sexy fox.

Mitchell
Right, right.

Scarlet
So whatever you did, it worked, Steve.

Mitchell
So I think that’s fair to say this is like defining its legs, if you will. And I like Dom Nall Gleeson, Brandon Gleeson’s son, at least, and some of his other stuff. So I fell asleep during the other ones because I was tired, but that’s on the list. So the paper.

Scarlet
Yeah.

Mitchell
And did they drop all episodes or is it kind of?

Scarlet
They dropped like the first five episodes.

Mitchell
Okay.

Scarlet
And I watched two all the way through and then kind of like dozed off on the third one. So you got to circle back to it.

Mitchell
And then I have not started, but here’s one that I’ve thrown out there because it was recommended by someone we both enjoy, which is, is it Real Housewives of Salt Lake City? Because that was what John Oliver recommended.

Scarlet
You would watch Reality with me just for that?

Mitchell
Well, he seemed to think it’s the greatest thing right now since sliced bread. He really was, and I like John Oliver.

Scarlet
It says you have to start with season one.

Mitchell
So all the crime that happens. Oh, yeah. So it might be worth giving a little go. I know it’s not my normal thing. Oh, we can report on that.

Scarlet
So I usually have to watch Below Deck by myself, which is fine. That’s my secret guilty pleasure. So, yeah.

Mitchell
Well, hey, you know, Below Deck’s always on. Is that one still just blasting out episodes every year?

Scarlet
Yeah, they have like all different variations. It’s kind of like, it’s kind of like Real Housewives is because they have like Below Deck Down Under. They have Below Deck Mediterranean, Below Deck the original.

Mitchell
so many yeah you can there’s lots of seas seven oceans or something like that continents there’s a lot they could do with that and then they kind of in the mix but i haven’t we started the studio but you found it too anxiety ridden and i enjoyed it that was would you say they need to tone it down a little bit the quality is good the quality is great it’s frenetic the pacing can be a little

Scarlet
bit but i just i i’m just like listen everything that could possibly go wrong you don’t need to

Mitchell
happen you know what i mean it’s even got that like jazz like that kind of uh it’s like every

Scarlet
other moment it was like i can’t even explain it it’s entertaining but for me i was just like

Mitchell
why is doing the most we’re okay there you go we’re dabbling and we dabbled a little bit but you were like not sure at least not for night time circle back to it and then i started zero day with Robert De Niro. And I was enjoying that one. But now I’m starting to do that thing where I’m getting too many shows in the air.

Scarlet
And I’m not walking on the treadmill enough. You know what? This isn’t going to be our winters.

Mitchell
We already got it planned out.

Scarlet
Back in the garage. You on the bike. Me on the treadmill.

Mitchell
Watching our shows.

Scarlet
Yeah.

Mitchell
We’ll knock them out. Especially the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, right?

Scarlet
Yeah.

Mitchell
I didn’t start that one, did I? I thought there was one called the Mormon Wives or something.

Scarlet
The real hidden lives of Mormon wives or something.

Mitchell
Yeah, which is different. Okay. Yeah.

Scarlet
Not my thing.

Mitchell
I wonder if there’s some crossover, though. It sounds like it could be. Okay. If you feel like you’ve got it mostly out of your system. Yeah. Because we never… Possible future topics, by the way. Did you see… I have one that just says toenails. Like, how to properly trim toenails. I’m going to throw that out there as a teaser.

Scarlet
I also saw something in there like, who are Max’s toenails like? There was something weird like that.

Mitchell
Oh, yeah. Well, where Max…

Scarlet
Because he’s got that little flapper nail.

Mitchell
Okay, fine.

Scarlet
It’s so cute.

Mitchell
It was like the other… Have you ever seen Teen Wolf, the movie? Oh, no. With Jason Bateman? No. Anyways, Teen… Oh, wait a minute. My bad. That was Teen Wolf 2. I think the original Teen Wolf is Michael J. Fox. Oh, no. The original Teen Wolf… Well, anyways, there’s a scene where the dad, who’s also a werewolf, has to like… The son is going through this in Michael J. Fox. And then he has to kind of have this. I don’t remember exactly, but he’s like, son, there’s something we got to talk about. He needs to tell him about these changes and about his werewolf thing. And I feel like one day I’m going to have to have this conversation with Max and his toenails. I’m going to have to be like, son, I need to tell you something about that second toe toenail, which is you get that from me. And it just grows. And it’s like almost spherical. It just grows.

Scarlet
Over the front. Over the front of the toe.

Mitchell
And it’s just like, and it will never be a normal flat toenail. It’s always going to be this weird club toenail toenail. And with his, they’re so thin. If you’re not watching, it’ll be like real far. And you’re like, oh my goodness. And you have to like trim it back. But it’s like, it will never just grow out. It’s always going to be like this weird. And I have that.

Scarlet
Yeah.

Mitchell
So, but we’ll maybe put a pin in how to trim toenails next week. Because next time, I have no idea. Gosh. Like they’re, oh. Anyways. Okay. With that, we’re going to hope that the outro music, which you like, actually works this time.

Scarlet
All right.

Mitchell
Until next time.

Scarlet
This is Doing the Most with Scarlet.

Mitchell
And Mitchell.

Scarlet
Bye. Bye.

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