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Costco Samples, Time Spirals & The Dreamer vs. The Realist

Posted by Mitchell Milliron

This week, Scarlet and Mitchell wander from ginger beer reviews to existential time audits—with a pit stop at Costco’s sample aisle (arguably the most dramatic place in retail). What starts as a casual chat about feeling “off” turns into a surprisingly deep exploration of how we spend our time… and why it never quite feels like enough.


🛒 In This Episode:

The Costco Sample Social Experiment™
Why do people perform a full Broadway monologue for a free meatball? Mitchell and Scarlet break down the unspoken etiquette, the sample hoarders, and the mysterious lives of the sample employees.
Spoiler: “Enjoy” is the only acceptable script.

The “Minimum Effective Dose” Life Strategy
Scarlet explains her rotating self-improvement eras—skin, gut, hair—and how she goes all-in before scaling back to maintenance mode. Mitchell wonders if this approach could apply to… everything.

Toothbrush Time Machine Reflections
Mitchell shares his nightly ritual of mentally replaying the day and questioning whether he actually did anything meaningful—while comparing himself to celebrities who also had the same 24 hours (but probably didn’t fold laundry).

Time, Money, and the Illusion of Productivity
Do people with more money actually have more usable time? And is that the real cheat code to accomplishing more? Or is it about simplifying life instead?

Dreamer vs. Realist: The Core Debate
Scarlet and Mitchell unpack their fundamentally different worldviews:

  • Mitchell: endless ideas, creative pursuits, and a desire to “do more”
  • Scarlet: grounded, practical, and content with stability (with less chaos, please)

Is one better than the other? Or do they balance each other out?

The Curse of Too Many Interests
Baking, piano, podcasting, reading, projects… Mitchell wonders if having too many passions is actually what’s holding him back from focusing on what matters most.


Scarlet’s key vibe:

You’re a dreamer… and I’m a realist. And somewhere in the middle is probably where sanity lives.


🧠 Takeaways:

  • Not everyone measures a “successful day” the same way—and that’s okay
  • Chasing more time might actually mean cutting things out, not adding more
  • Contentment and ambition aren’t opposites… but they do argue like siblings
  • Costco samples reveal more about human nature than we’d like to admit

😂 Also Discussed:

  • Ginger beer “burn zones”
  • Drooping microphones (a recurring character this episode)
  • Why sample food tastes better in-store
  • The eternal garage project
  • The fantasy of having summers completely off

🔗 Connect With Us:


🎧 Listen If You:

  • Have ever felt like you wasted a perfectly good day
  • Secretly judge people at Costco sample stations
  • Struggle to balance creativity with real life
  • Are trying to “do the most”… without losing your mind

Episode 29: Same 24 Hours

Welcome back to Doing the Most! Episode twenty-nine finds Scarlet and Mitchell in their usual form — slightly off their rhythm, sipping on Fever-Tree ginger beer, and somehow turning a Tuesday morning Costco run into a meditation on time, ambition, and what it really means to live a fulfilling life.

In This Episode:

Scarlet kicks things off sharing that she’s deep into a hair health journey — the latest in her rotating series of wellness focus areas (skin, gut, and now her follicles). Mitchell connects this to a concept he calls the “minimum effective dose”: the idea that you go all-in on something, get it to a good place, dial back to maintenance mode, and stack the next thing on top.

From there, the conversation takes a detour to Costco — specifically, the theater of the sample station. Why do people do the little song-and-dance of pretending they might actually buy the meatballs? Who decides how many pretzel sticks go in each cup? And what’s the existential experience of being the person assigned to the spirulina mushroom juice table versus the chocolate-dipped waffle bites? Mitchell and Scarlet dissect the unspoken social rituals of the sample cart with the depth it truly deserves.

Then things get a little more philosophical. Mitchell shares a habit of his: at the end of the day, brushing his teeth, he finds himself thinking — Leonardo DiCaprio had the same 24 hours I just had. What did he do with his? This sparks a genuine conversation about time, perceived productivity, and the gap between being a dreamer and being a realist. Mitchell admits he’s pulled in many directions — podcasting, baking, piano, movies, watercolor, the 1989 Toyota truck in the driveway — and wonders why focus feels so elusive. Scarlet, ever the grounded counterpoint, offers a candid and surprisingly moving take on what it means to be satisfied with a life that doesn’t demand constant reinvention.

Mitchell also briefly introduces Internal Family Systems (IFS) — a therapeutic framework he’s been reading about in Martha Beck’s Beyond Anxiety — as a possible lens for understanding why we carry conflicting desires. Scarlet counters with astrology. (Capricorn vs. Sagittarius. Make of that what you will.)

It’s a warm, wandering, wonderfully human episode.

Mentioned in This Episode:

  • Fever-Tree Premium Ginger Beer
  • Beyond Anxiety by Martha Beck
  • Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy
  • Costco sample culture (no official sponsorship, sadly)
  • The 1989 Toyota truck that lives in the garage forever

Connect with us: Website: scarletandmitchell.com Leave a comment, send a DM, or drop feedback through the site — they’d genuinely love to hear from you.

Scarlet
I like this cup.

Mitchell
Yes. Now, I was re-watching or re-listening some of these and I thought We uh let the intro play cause are we too precious about it or should just let I don’t know. I feel like people might have to wait too long. Oh. I don’t know. Hey, we’re fair. But what can I say? They know what we’re doing.

Scarlet
Yeah.

Mitchell
And if you haven’t, whatever. It’s just a song that r was written by AI. Welcome to Doing the Most. Scarlet and Mitchell. Our wonderful little podcast for you to uh hear about how our lives are. W I don’t know. I am off this week. That’s okay. Welcome. Episode twenty-nine.

Scarlet
Me too.

Mitchell
Doing the m why? Why are you off this week?

Scarlet
I don’t know.

Mitchell
Because we’re doing it on a Thursday instead of a Wednesday?

Scarlet
No, I think I’ve just felt off all week.

Mitchell
Any reason? Oh, sorry, by the way, whoo. That one, that little ginger, brought to you by Fever Tree. Fever tree ginger beer, premium ginger beer Well I like it. It just kinda I was trying to quickly slurp a smidge because I don’t know that you always do the technique where you would realize that I’m drinking so you keep talking to fill the space. Oh yeah I do that for you. Anyway It doesn’t it’s neither here nor there. Uh that one was had the ginger burn going on. And this one’s normally not real burny, but when it hits that wrong section. you know, like a nasopharyngeal swab when it hits that zone.

Scarlet
Much prefer these over white Canada dry.

Mitchell
Yeah.

Scarlet
Well, first of all the size.

Mitchell
Yeah, no no.

Scarlet
I’m not a big soda drinker, but I can work on this for I can like sip on this for ever.

Mitchell
Yeah, I’m not uh that’s why I I grabbed it. I I’ve been trying to lay off the thing. You and Max like these.

Scarlet
I mean I just Max does not like them.

Mitchell
Oh.

Scarlet
He took one sip of it and just left it on the table.

Mitchell
Are they uh they’re not like healthier are they, or they’re just they just cost more.

Scarlet
I mean, they’re probably healthier in the sense that they have more natural ingredients.

Mitchell
Okay, well Yeah. And I brought to you by Fever Tree Ginger Beer. Alright, people joining us. By the way, last week we didn’t do video and then I was consulting with my marketing team and they’re like Spotify now allows you to well maybe now. Spotify you can upload videos to Spotify. So I’ve been spending a bunch of time this last week uploading videos to Spotify to try to get it all video maci magized. Not that you have to have a video. Because who is some phone is making me crazy. Sorry. Okay.

Scarlet
It’s not mine, but I’ll move it.

Mitchell
You know what I’m talking about? That sound that goes is getting recorded We’ll never know till after it’s all done. D write in and let us know if you could hear that. Um So no, I spent all this whole week trying to get episodes uploaded because they’re monstrous. They’re well monstrous, you know, 18, 20 gigabytes. And I already did it all to YouTube It’s where you can go watch these things, but like uh Spotify’s like, oh, I upload your videos too if you have them. It’s like, oh great. So now I feel the pressure again. We took last week off from video recording. Whatever. This is why we’re doing the most Okay, so really, why are we doing the most? I already I always come in with some topic ideas, do you? No. Sometimes your hair looks very good by the way. Oh thank you.

Scarlet
I’m on a hair health journey. You know, I go on these journeys, you know, sometimes it’s like skin health, sometimes it’s gut health, sometimes it’s And then once I feel like I fine-tune those and kind of find a rhythm, but maybe maybe sway away from it a little bit. But I do enough. Just about enough. And then I choose something else. So now I am on a hair health journey. Like trying to get my hair thick and healthy again.

Mitchell
Do you feel like you’re are these little journeys you like kinda like I don’t say deep dive, because that’s my deal, but you like kinda You go and you like learn and develop whatever your plan is and you do it really good and then you kinda it’s not that you forget about it, but you dial it back, you find maybe I’ll call it the minimum effective dose. Because now you’re like, well, I don’t have all this time to contribute. Or maybe or maybe you can maintain that and just stack something else. ‘Cause you said, Oh, it could be like or you’re kinda like oh and then you like oh it’s not that I’m like when your hair is where you like it maybe you’re not gonna do as much. You’ll do some but you kinda like dial it back or no. Do you continue to keep stacking more?

Scarlet
Probably. I I think it’s Probably what? Probably the yes, you go all out and then you dial it back to the minimum effective dose. Right. So Say like skincare. You go all out, you’re doing all the things, the red light therapy, the serum, and your skin gets to a point. And then you’re like, okay, I feel like I’m on a good point. Well, can I take out of the equation and still maintain like minimize because I can’t do like now I can’t do this and then also dedicate you know forty minutes to hair as well. Like I’m gonna have to Take something out.

Mitchell
Um, but Oh, this is partly this is almost similar to a topic idea I had for later in the show.

Scarlet
Well I mean I won’t get into I won’t bore people with the details of whatever Is your mic sagging? Is it?

Mitchell
I don’t know.

Scarlet
I don’t know. I won’t bore I won’t bore people with the details. But anyways, like so then usually it’s like, okay, uh I’m gonna do the basics of skin And then if I feel like my skin starts getting kinda dull and whatever, then I’ll just go back and do what I have to do again. Hmm

Mitchell
So I feel like I should probably d be doing more red light therapy because it is dealing kind of like with your newfound knowledge or with your like now that you had the knowledge from your experience, you’re like now I can go back and Yeah, that’s what I’m saying.

Scarlet
Yeah. Now I know the routine. Now I know what works. Now I know what doesn’t work. Now I don’t have to waste the time experimenting. I know what works. So

Mitchell
Right. Well it’s like I mean okay so I well this isn’t the topic right not that there is the top I’m gonna be staring at your microphone the whole time I feel like I you’re it that one I hate the the mechanism. Yeah, you have to like crank it. Like the little d I’m about ready to get up and go do it. So now you have to really like wrench it. So it’ll start sagging because that’s not enough wrenching.

Scarlet
And then I’ll just keep one.

Mitchell
You can just slowly uh sag yourself. You can see it in the video. Yeah, I th I should trade you. Mine’s a much mine’s a more premium uh stand, but that’s okay. Okay, um oh dear. This com okay, this isn’t really now I’m all discombobulated Because.

Scarlet
I’m sorry. Anyways. Oh no no.

Mitchell
I’m not trying to take away. Healthy, healthy. It always looks good. You know.

Scarlet
And it’s not shedding as much. Like if my hair was really shedding, and I was getting concerned.

Mitchell
But it but also if you remember from uh anatomy and physiology uh ANP class, we taught well we when I was there, they talked about like your hair, each hair follicle goes through and I’m gonna use the wrong The wrong name. Telomere? Does that even mean anything? That sounds like a DNA thing. Your hair goes through these phases, each follicle, and one of them is actually letting go of the hair So like there’s actually moments in time. I know. Well technically there’s like five devices.

Scarlet
Yeah.

Mitchell
So there’s kinda like the um And phones are recording this thing. Uh there is so kind of the idea that the um maybe uh your hair was you’re noticing it shedding more because it was all in that cycle Does this even ring a bell, this cycle thing, or do you feel like I’m just making this all up?

Scarlet
Yeah, I kinda remember that.

Mitchell
Okay, well But you’re saying you feel like it’s shedding less. Yes. Okay, fair enough. I mean it could be it could be that you the healthiness is improving, whatever that, but there is a cycle A part where it’s like growth and then there’s like a middle zone where the hair doesn’t continue to grow and then there’s the letting go of the Follow the follicle let’s go the hair. Something like that. I don’t know. Now I feel like I made it all up.

Scarlet
But if you’ve noticed, the hair monsters that I leave on the shower wall aren’t quite as monstrous.

Mitchell
There’s one today.

Scarlet
I forgot to take that

Mitchell
Well I was confused ’cause I thought you didn’t wash your hair today.

Scarlet
I didn’t. That’s from yesterday.

Mitchell
Oh, I thought I swept that one away. Anyway d oh no, ’cause you showered after I did. It was the day before that I got it. Okay. Well, good for you. Well it looks good. I have whatever you’re doing. Keep doing it. And we’ll talk we’ll put a little pin in that idea. Excuse me. A little bubble in my throat as my sister and I would say. You know what I’m talking about?

Scarlet
Mm-hmm.

Mitchell
And then it has a half burp. And it’s like It feels like a thick bit of saliva is just kinda like there all about that sound. I had we would always make see who can talk the longest if you got a bubble and you’d be like, Come on, stop it. Just swallow already. I already m already got rid of the bubble. Um, first off, we were at Costco the other day. This isn’t the main thing, but I it’s a thing that I think of. And Costco’s i I don’t know that it’s unique, but they everyone knows them for their samples, am I right? Mm-hmm. And growing up there was sometimes other stores would do samples, but Costco, it’s been like a staple of the Costco experience to have the samples, right?

Scarlet
Yeah, it’s one of the reasons to go to Costco. I mean w with a with a child too during the day.

Mitchell
Any other stores that you can think of in this scenario? I’ve it’s rare I mean you used to be like I say when I was growing up every now and then you’d get that. It was really big deal. But Costco’s the only one I think through time and all eternity has maintained the sample. And we were there on a Tuesday morning And they were doing it.

Scarlet
Mm-hmm.

Mitchell
So I feel like it was a time when it felt like it was only gonna be on the weekends or something, but now it’s sh all time. So I always noticed that there’s this fun my brother and I used to talk about this. That there’s this funniness where There’s kind of this different people have different approach with the sample, but there’s this strange like banter that kinda some people that goes on this kind of the It’s the oh like I’m gonna get this free item. So I’m gonna kind of act really interested in the item. And then I’m even gonna imply like oh yeah and then I’m even asked ’cause sometimes the people will say, Oh, and they’re on sale, the lady or the old person. No, I’m sorry. That’s very stereotypical of me. But the person like, oh, and they’re over in the freezer section for four ninety-nine today or whatever it is, but they’re like, Oh, over in that freezer section, you know, like But they there’s why why and I’ve done this too. I’ve gone through the little banter in the in the song and dance where like I’m I all this just to get half of a meatball. Which is why it’s I know but I mean but why do some people myself include it And others do that. I heard some guy doing that. Oh, and then he’s like, mmm, yeah, and people eating like, oh I can really taste the onion in there.

Scarlet
Okay, but why did they stand around the sample cart and eat it there? That’s so annoying. Take your sample and leave. You don’t need to stand there and have a conversation. She doesn’t make commission. Off of selling you a bag of meatballs.

Mitchell
I know, but that’s what I’m saying. It’s just funny how people kinda will and I’ve done gotten get involved, like, oh yeah, I can Because some of the now see some of the sample people though, they’re also equally involved because they like will tell you like, oh, you know, these are new uh Mrs. Mrs. Jonah’s uh Italian pork meatballs made with a hundred percent oh it’s farm raised pork. Really healthy for you and the kids. Got organic fruit uh vegetables and onion in there with uh a touch of garlic and they’re like kinda give you a spiel, some of ’em, and then you’re like, oh yeah and then you’re like, oh and then you know, try and then you’re like kinda having your half a meatball and then the guy’s chatting ’em up like oh yeah, I can really, you know, this should really go good with, you know, you just want to be like, yeah, just move out of the way, buddy They don’t need you to pay for your interest.

Scarlet
And why do they always taste so much better than when you bring them home and make them?

Mitchell
I it’s because it’s like a restaurant. When someone else does the food, it’s like it tastes better Even if it doesn’t. Um so I it just made me think, why do people do this song and dance? Like some people I mean why do we feel this or why do we feel guilty like I need to act like I’m gonna buy these? Again, the lady she don’t care. Um uh Mildred don’t care if you’re buying the meatballs or not. She’s just there making a buck, right? She’s like handing ’em out, putting ’em in those little uh crinkle uh cupcake, miniature cupcake things. Yeah. Giving you paper tray liner and you’re like, oh, just take it and get out of the way, right? But yeah, you’re right. And then people

Scarlet
Well then some of these people assume they’ll like line up.

Mitchell
Oh man.

Scarlet
God forbid you have a y a pizza baking.

Mitchell
Yeah.

Scarlet
You know?

Mitchell
‘Cause it’s always the meat section, you know.

Scarlet
They have the best stuff. Yeah. They’re they’re doing the chicken tenders and the yakisoba and the and the um Yeah, the meatballs and the deep dish pizza. And everybody’s kind of, you know They’re just kinda like milling about. You know what they’re doing? They’re just kinda like pacing back and forth. And then she’s taking it out of the oven and you can watch she’s w you watch her, she’s cutting it into cubes and they’re just like and then they start like getting closer. And closer. And she sits like six of ’em out on her tray and a person takes two of them and walks away. And then I know, so rude. Like the drama of the Costco sample, like is yeah.

Mitchell
And then But I feel like every now and then you get a you get a mother, I love you, but I feel like this would be my mother would be the one telling someone, Oh, you’ve already had one. Like to a little kid. Like you know, and sometimes someone wanna go back and get a second one and I I I haven’t heard it recently, but I in the past I’ve heard somebody like, Oh, it’s one per person, you know, like and the little kid’s trying to get a second one or or maybe we feel guilty, I’m gonna go get another one, you know, can you go get me one?

Scarlet
I know I almost went back and got Max. the they had the bands of pasta with the oh yeah whatever and he was like I want more and I was like uh because there was only one more cup up there and I was like I don’t want no, we’re gonna go find something else.

Mitchell
Yeah, it’s so it’s so stupid. It’s free food people.

Scarlet
I know.

Mitchell
Why is it such a big ordeal? Now I also feel bad though, like I wanna know. I would love to this would be a documentary I’d like to watch. Like how what it’s like to be one of those people. Like does when you roll in if you’re a whatever they call ’em, I’m I’m sure my my cousin’s husband is a manager for Costco.

Scarlet
Also is there an age limit?

Mitchell
Well we know there’s a lower age limit. I think you can’t be under like fifty five. Okay. They roll in and do they get to pick their pick their product? Is it assigned to them? Are you a long running like does this does the meatball lady always get to do meatballs? Or is it like rotate because I can only imagine like when you roll in and you see you got the uh chocolate dipped uh bite-sized waffles, you’re like yeah Gonna be a good day. Like I’m popular, people are gonna love my stand. This is a good one. Maybe a little something for me here and there. That’s it. Cut them off and put his use his uh oversized uh clear nitrile gloves to put ’em in the little package. As opposed to the lady who gets rolls in and it’s like, Oh Uh Marge, you get the uh dry shiitake and tuna chips or whatever. I don’t know. Sometimes they’re just things you’re like, ah it’s a hard pass, you know, like you’re walking by or you’re like you get to mix up this brown juice that is supposed to be healthy for people and it doesn’t you know like you hand it out like Do you feel like, ah man, I I at least couldn’t guys give me a liquid IV today? I had to do the, you know, spirulina and um what is that? Is that oh that’s a pasta. What’s the name of the uh the algae Um I don’t know.

Scarlet
Yeah. Is it a spirulina?

Mitchell
There’s a spirulina. Yeah, you know, oh you get the algae uh mushroom and throw in another weird product juice that people are like oh maybe not not that there’s anything bad but do you do then you feel bad and so like I said so some of the sample givers are different like Like the ones that have to like there’s the ones that kind of just kind of drone on and you’re and you kind of want to be like listen I just want the meatball I don’t care how they’re made I’m not buying ’em. I just give me the half a meatball, lady. I don’t know.

Scarlet
Well there was the guy putting the pretzels in the thing and there was he wasn’t saying anything. And I was like, Thank you. Well no then. I just want to take the pretzels and You don’t need to talk about it.

Mitchell
It’s like no, like that gal that had something and she literally just said maybe it was the pasta. She literally the only word she said was enjoy.

Scarlet
Yeah.

Mitchell
And I was like Perfect.

Scarlet
Yeah. Give this That’s all you need to say.

Mitchell
Yeah, yeah. I and in fact I thought we should just buy ’em purely ’cause whatever she’s selling and she wasn’t selling She just said enjoy. She left it at that. Enjoy. Thank you. That’s the right thing. I don’t need to know about where they’re located and I’ll I’ll figure it out, right? Oh, the Costco sample, but Anyway, it seems to be a cornerstone of the the Costco experience, right? Yeah. Cause sometimes if you roll and you don’t see anything, do you kinda go like, oh man, what’s what’s going on today?

Scarlet
Because I well I think they only do it between the hours of like Eleven and four o’clock.

Mitchell
Mm. Right.

Scarlet
Because there’s like a certain time when they like shut it down. Oh, because it’s not a good thing.

Mitchell
The shuttles don’t run.

Scarlet
If you go there around dinner time, it’s usually not happening.

Mitchell
Right. Oh yeah, so I should ask my cousin’s husband.

Scarlet
It’s like r lunchtime.

Mitchell
What is the inside? Is this, you know, like it’s kind of a cultish thing that we like to do that. So as opposed to now The one I feel bad for is the they’re not samples. It’s when you’re leaving Costco. It’s the row of home products. You know, it’s a water heater, it’s the windows, it’s the leaf guard. And those people sit there and I just feel so bad. But I mean, they’re not like mall-level kiosk people But I always just kinda feel bad ’cause you’re like, I just can’t make eye contact with this. I don’t need gutter guards. Yeah. And that sounds so mean ’cause I’m it’s Costco. I know they’ve curated quality vendors. It’s not like garbage, but still I always kinda feel bad ’cause Well they’re not giving away meatballs. They’re just holding the pamphlet for uh leaf guard or something.

Scarlet
But those folks I feel like at least they don’t try to talk to you. Usually.

Mitchell
They probably don’t know.

Scarlet
They’re just sitting there waiting for somebody to approach them.

Mitchell
Which is, you know, if you’re interested in a leaf guard, that’s the person you want to talk to, right? You know Want to talk to somebody who’s literally trying to leave a store who doesn’t who’s already looked but then quickly averted their gaze to not look at you, you don’t want that person Anyway, so it’s a tough job. It is. Um which um so moving along. So sometimes in my life, any give me final thoughts on Costco Uh on the samples at Costco.

Scarlet
No.

Mitchell
I mean sometimes you get those interesting ones, you know, in the middle of the refrigerated area where you might find the sukies and some of that.

Scarlet
Yeah. I feel like I’d be a little irritated to be Betsy who comes out and they’re like, You got you’re on you’re on meatballs or pizza today and I would b just be like, again.

Mitchell
Oh

Scarlet
I don’t wanna work this hard too.

Mitchell
No, I was just gonna say, knowing you, you’re like, no, I wanna be on the weird mushroom things nobody wants on the wall.

Scarlet
Yeah. I wanna be the pretzel guy.

Mitchell
Yeah, the back wall.

Scarlet
Where nobody wants to talk to me.

Mitchell
Yeah.

Scarlet
And I don’t want to talk to them.

Mitchell
Just get your pretzels.

Scarlet
Yeah.

Mitchell
Oh. It is funny how sometimes you look and you go like Really you really putting one little stick in here? Like You’re making me work for a second. I don’t know if they get guidance on how much or is it like that’s kind of their own thing? Like hey Bob, you you decide how many pretzels a person needs to try. Okay And do they get like unlimited bags to use or is it like, hey listen, you got four bags of these pretzels, you gotta make them last all day. Nobody knows. This what this is the next reality series. Costco sample samplees.

Scarlet
Is there really not anything out there?

Mitchell
What?

Scarlet
We can’t be the only people to have asked these questions.

Mitchell
They’d just be curious like this kind of inside culture. They probably have their own stories too, like You know, oh some lady came up and she’s like getting one for each of her kids and might as well have given her a whole pizza by the time she was done and like then she didn’t then she still wanted the kids back to get one and the half the kids threw them away, you know, like I don’t know. It’s interesting. Okay, well, so sometimes I say this is a different topic, by the way. Sometimes I say to myself, um Oh, well actually real quick side note. By the way, more of our listeners on Spotify. Which I don’t know why I don’t know why that’s surprising to me ‘Cause I your Apple Podcast is like where I get my podcast.

Scarlet
I don’t even have the Spotify app.

Mitchell
Yeah. But that’s like But thank you. A good amount yeah, thank you Spotify. Which why I’m pushing the videos there ’cause they kinda wave they pop up. I don’t know.

Scarlet
Uh huh.

Mitchell
I got a lot of work to do. One of them is to work not to burp right now. Ugh. Too late.

Scarlet
So um that’s what you get for drinking a carbonator.

Mitchell
Well, but it’s only like I can’t six ounces, six point eight. Um 5. 8 I think. Uh I can’t see without my glasses.

Scarlet
So your fingers covering it up.

Mitchell
So what I was gonna say.

Scarlet
5. 07.

Mitchell
Oh cav was close. Well, sort of. Um, sometimes I’ll say, you know what, at the end of the day when I’m like brushing my teeth, which sometimes I do toothbrush time machine, but I’m brushing my teeth And I’ll think, uh, I’ll just reflect back on the day. Like, oh, what did I do? What did I not do? What did I want to do? What didn’t I do? You know, especially on non-work days. ‘Cause on a work day I can’t have an idea what happened. But then I’ll be like, oh, and sometimes I’m frustrated ’cause I feel like man another day and you know my obsession with time and like how time feels like it’s just flying and slipping out of my grasp. But I’ll say I’ll just I’ll be like, well, you know, I I hate that I’ll y I’ll think of a celebrity who I admire or am interested in I not like that. I just mean like I’ll here’s what I’ll be like I’ll be like, Well man we’ll meet Leonardo DiCaprio like he had he had the same twenty four hours I had today. Like what did he accomplish, I wonder. Um Which is kind of sh that’s short sighted in some regard. But because we all have the same amount of hours in the day. Like, you know, nobody like we all experience the same twenty-four hours. Tom Hanks did. You did, I did. You know, different people. But but at the same time, not to sound short sighted, like the the the single parent working three jobs um trying to get by did not have the same experience I had, if that makes sense. So I guess I don’t want to short and act like, oh well we all have the same amount of time. We all should be celebrities or something like that. I guess what I’m saying is I still feel that sense of like, yeah, we’ve all were granted the same period of time today. How come I don’t feel like I did anything successful? Now, to take it to the other extreme, like Um, nobody in the Kardashians was washing and folding laundry today. I pretty much guarantee that. Whereas we were. Nah, they were not probably worried about fixing a car or putting gas in their car or like the things that concern us When you are uh I don’t even want to say celebrity, when you have a lot of financial capital, when you have money. that your day probably feels a little different because it’s not occupied with the menial tasks that we’re doing. And when You have less and I don’t like I hate saying less fortunate than us. But like I do feel for like I am I’m grateful for what I have. But you think like, oh what if I had to work two jobs right now to make ends meet And my whole day was just garbage crap because that’s what I had to do. So it’s kind of like, oh, I’m grateful what I have, but man, it does make you also for me. Okay. You’re just looking at you’re probably blank staring at me because you’re thinking about that show you were just watching. Um the idea that um then so this led me to kind of conclude like the idea that Um it’s like money in a way that if you have more time to accomplish more, that’s more meaningful to you. If you have more time because you don’t have to worry about washing the laundry, cleaning the house, you can actually achieve more. And is it also like with people who have a lot of money can earn a lot more money with interest and investments and people who do not? Same thing with people who have the time. It’s kind of like that’s a bummer. How do you get there is what I want to know. How do you get to where you have more time?

Scarlet
Hmm. And your answer is more money?

Mitchell
Well that’s what the eas that’s what we kinda lead to, but at other points in my life I’m like How about just less responsibility? Which and I don’t know what that means. Well, like like let’s say you owned your own property. And you well and but it was out somewhere and you were raising vegetables and uh raising vegetables from a le wee little kid.

Scarlet
Oh yeah, that doesn’t take any time.

Mitchell
But well it does dedication. But I’m saying like I don’t know. That’s what I’m saying. Like there’s other things if you uncomplicate your life. Like you know I’m always complaining about cats. Like if we had less cats, and that’s just an example.

Scarlet
That’s not why I think more space for cats

Mitchell
But you still have to manage the cat stuff, the litter, the food, the cleaning up of the vomit and the throat. Well throat’s the same thing and the piles. Like I’m just saying those things still require time and energy But if you chose not to have those in your life. And also see, partly also is I’m throwing out a lot of stuff here. Some people I know they read a lot of books. And I’m like, in my in my head I always think Where do you have the time to read all these books? Like what do you have going on that you can read so many books? I’m jealous because I like to read more books. I just don’t know where they go. Now In not in my case, but in your case, and that’s maybe easy to look in and say this, if you said, well, I want to read more books, Mitchell, I’d say, yeah, how much time do you put into TikTok And that’s probably where you could read books. Now, I probably have something, it’s just not easy to see from the inside. Or maybe not. But you know, no, okay, so So you have the same 24 hours, do you feel like you’re getting everything not everything you’re getting the value out of that 24 hours? You’re getting stuff done that you want to get done Maybe that’s the difference too where my pursuits are greater than greater than yours. Greater is the wrong way. Greater implies better. My pursuits are different I I don’t want a clean floor. That is not my life’s goal to have clean floors. I participate when I can and I do not like filthy floors. That’s I usually I usually act out of anger because I don’t like all the cat or whatever, but not out of desire for clean floors. If that makes sense at all.

Scarlet
Mm-hmm

Mitchell
So how do you feel at the end of your day, toothbrush time machine, do you even think about your day? Like I’ve just done a lot of talking.

Scarlet
I just don’t think about it like you. And like that’s okay.

Mitchell
It is, but so you don’t go like crime anyway what a waste of that day.

Scarlet
Sometimes, but it’s usually if I didn’t like get a workout in. Okay. Because I’m like, I could have at least have done that.

Mitchell
And that’s something you do for yourself?

Scarlet
Yeah.

Mitchell
And you enjoy it.

Scarlet
Mm-hmm. Because I can I can do I can do other things while walking on a treadmill and lifting weights. I lift weights while walking on a treadmill. That’s You know, I’m not trying to be a bodybuilder here.

Mitchell
Right.

Scarlet
I’m just trying to walk a couple miles a day and lift a few pounds. So um Yeah, I guess like that’s always where I’m like I don’t know. I need to get outside more. Does something else where but it’s like It’s sunny, but it’s just a touch too cold for me. Mm-hmm. Kind of thing. As like where in the spring and the summertime I’m outside Quite a bit. Oh, I can see that.

Mitchell
It’s okay.

Scarlet
Um so I think Not as much in the wintertime do I look up and I’m like, oh, I’ve completely wasted my day because I kind of feel like Yeah, what else am I gonna do with this day? It’s rainy, it’s crappy, like this is my right to sit in my house and scroll. My little heart away. And this is how I get my news and stay informed and ’cause I don’t just do that. I listen to, you know, my independent media on YouTube and No, I’m not making and I’m not belittling TikTok yet.

Mitchell
I was just saying like You uh I will fix your mic. Your microphone’s drooping. Listen, it happens to all of us. Every now and then it’s a little droopy microphone.

Scarlet
But like in the summertime I really do feel that sense of like if I don’t get outside I feel like I’ve wasted my day. I do feel that.

Mitchell
You know summer is my favorite season life.

Scarlet
Yeah.

Mitchell
Uh if I I was just saying to someone the other day, maybe it was if I could find a way, if I if there was a j there is a job, don’t just spoiler alert, if I could work like all seasons but summer and work more during those seasons and have summer off, I would do that. Why can’t somebody give me that schedule at work if they’re like, look Even if or if they say look you’re gonna work four twelves a week. Okay. But during the summer you’re gonna work one twelve a week for three months. I’d be like Oh yeah, sign this guy up. I would do that in a heartbeat. I would pay that price. Um so okay. Well I’m not implying, I guess I just yeah I guess it’s just kind of frustrating to me because I’m like, yeah, I had the same amount of time as other people who are successful, not by my major, but maybe by they are doing things that they want to do. And I’m You know, I wanna grow the podcast podcast. But like there’s only so much time in a day. And then it’s just like and at the same time it’s like I love watching movies. You I you probably don’t believe that. But like I used to do I was doing that for a while every Monday when I had my Mondays. I just do that. I just watch a movie. And I like that, but I haven’t done that for a while. Because usually I’m like, ah It’s it’s not I don’t see it as a wasted two and a half hours or two hours or whatever because I love it and it provides me joy and it also inspires me. Like watching movies generally makes me inspired for creativity. I don’t You know, there’s more to it than that. So it’s not a waste per se of watching movies. Same with books. Like I think books often are nice, but I don’t do that. So that’s why I’m kind of frustrated lately because I don’t feel like I don’t know I guess it’s also this idea. So I go, we’re running out of time here. I go you were mentioned earlier, okay. You do something and you like whatever in your face, your your skin, and then you kinda like pick your next little thing. Thing that you’re gonna work on, right? So for me, it’s like that’s you know, well I live my life doing a lot of things, but I often a recurring theme in my life mentally is I’ll say Mitchell, do you r uh is your goal to be a baker? What well no, well but baking does provide me I enjoy it. It’s like it’s not that much time. I’ve done all hard work. I know how it all works now, I can just do it, right? It’s not that big of a deal to do baking, bake some bread every now and then, uh or every week, which I haven’t done because this new schedule of mine hasn’t been conducive to baking. Because on that first Tuesday I have to do certain things and usually you’re like, hey, we’re done to go go go and it’s like crap, I don’t have time to prep. That’s on me. I gotta figure it out. But I’m saying if I were to maybe cut out a lot of the peripheral things that stuck me in, maybe I could be more focused on what I want to do.

Scarlet
What is the peripheral things that What would be an example?

Mitchell
Playing the piano

Scarlet
Okay. But that gives you okay. But I mean but right, but see that’s the thing.

Mitchell
It gives me a certain amount of joy and I enjoy it and it makes me f inspires me, but it’s like yeah but how but like is how you want to do with your life? Like, well no, I don’t have any I don’t have any dream that I’m going to become some sort of piano player. But I enjoy it. I guess that’s what I mean. There’s a lot of peripheral things for me and maybe that’s when you’re like I thought that was just your A D D. I still don’t believe in that.

Scarlet
I know.

Mitchell
So

Scarlet
I’m just gonna start.

Mitchell
You’re gonna put it up here. You can put the microphone at your forehead at the beginning of the episode.

Scarlet
I just can’t my little weak hand.

Mitchell
Sorry, we’re almost out of it.

Scarlet
I can’t tighten it

Mitchell
My timer’s gonna pop, which is okay. I will tighten the Is this good? Yeah. I can still hear you. I can’t see you. I used you’re just a big black foam ball.

Scarlet
I can see it slowly going down.

Mitchell
Yeah, that’s okay It’s only the timer’s gonna be ebbing down. So I guess, yeah, that’s my question to you or the universe. Like, you know, what do you so I mean, this is where I guess I sometimes feel lost in. I’m like, do other people not have any greater desire? I have no idea desire to be a Well I’d like to be a slightly better nurse since I’m spending time at my job, but my job doesn’t provide me the resource, the time or the space to improve.

Scarlet
I have to be an expert at this. Why can’t it just be a thing you do?

Mitchell
Well no, I I’m no but like nursing is a thing I do. I would like to be better only because it’s my job. Not my job to be better. I it’s my I put so much time into nursing. I would like I for me have to feel like every day I’m there growing and I’m not. That’s why I can’t stand my job currently. And that’s a whole nother topic. It’s just we don’t have Their staffing is garbage, as you know. So it doesn’t allow me the space to grow. It’s not conducive to growth and learning, which is really important to me. Maybe that’s what I like about maybe that’s the peripheral thing, is like I like to grow and learn things Yeah, I don’t know. Doesn’t really matter. I feel like my words are lost on you. I doubt

Scarlet
They’re not lost on me.

Mitchell
So okay, so we’ve only concluded that you don’t uh have this you don’t yeah. Okay What oh, your cake’s done. Oh. I don’t know that there is a question in there or an answer. I guess my real question is at the core, like How do I, Mitchell, cut out all the most in my life to do what I want to and why Is that such an ongoing theme?

Scarlet
Oh my god. I’m just gonna put this down here.

Mitchell
There. Doesn’t matter. That’s her microphone. Not everyone sees what you see. They can only hear you. Just think of Lil Michaela walking around. She’s like, I don’t know what’s going on. There’s just a lot of sounds on this microphone.

Scarlet
So I I guess You assume everybody is like you. Can I just take this out?

Mitchell
Why don’t you just talk and not worry about putting your hands all over it?

Scarlet
So I I guess I’m in between, okay? I’m you you are what is the word I’m looking for? You you are a a dreamer. You are always a dreamer. You are You you dream. And that that’s great. And I am a realist. Like, I Um I I’m I’m more like I’m never gonna be famous. I’m probably I’m gonna be doing my job until retirement. Um I know the things that I am good at, and I know the things that I could be better at, and I know the things that I could work on and need to work on, and um I’m I don’t know. And you’re more just like I’m I love to bake and I want to do this and then I you know I would l I’m I want to like grow the podcast and like I wanna win the lottery and if I could win the lottery I would like you know do all of these magical things with all of this money and like I all I want to do is play music. I want to learn the watercolor. I want to get back into watercolors. Um I like I wanna grow our food naturally. You’re talking about me? Yes. Okay. Like And but then but then I ha don’t have enough time. I don’t have enough time for this stuff. I want to work on the truck. I need to find these little tiny screws for the truck because this truck is for some reason an ever-ongoing Forever project forever and ever. This 1989 Toyota truck is that will forever live in our driveway. and it is drivable and has in past DEQ and has a

Mitchell
Tags now.

Scarlet
Tag and you can be driven legally now. Um and is another project along with the garage that has uh talked about in nearly every episode of this podcast. that you we are not taking a vacation for because we want to work on the garage and clearing garbage out of the garage that will never ever be cleared out Because that is the reality, because I’m a realist and you are a dreamer. So I guess What I’m saying, there there are there are two extremes of these people. Okay, there there are there’s my dad, and I would say Probably my dad and your dad, where it’s like every day is the same. Every day they wake up is the same day. You know? My dad wakes up, he goes to the same restaurant and he’s breakfast He goes to whatever job he’s doing that day. He goes to lunch at probably one of the five restaurants he goes to lunch at every day. He goes home, he probably piddles around on his tractor. Um, whatever. And he goes to bed and he reads his Bible before bed, says his prayers. And that is his day and he doesn’t bat an eye. He doesn’t think he wasted time. He doesn’t consider time. He doesn’t think about time. He doesn’t think about wasted time. He doesn’t think about it Period. And then there’s you. And you’re the other up you’re the other extreme. I like how you enjoy making fun of me. I’m not making fun of you. It’s okay. Um, and then there’s the other extreme where it’s Mitchell, where it’s never gonna be enough. And that’s okay. That’s I think it’s a little sad, but like It’s it’s like never gonna be enough. It’s never gonna be good enough. Like like we could we could w n possibly never be wealthy, but say like dig ourselves and be completely debt free and no debt obligations and um live some semblance of whatever the American dream is these days. Um live out and have a couple acres of land and um You have your shop and whatever, but it v it’s still not gonna be enough. It’ll be enough for me Because I’m probably a little more like my dad than I want to admit because I’m like, yeah, I’m gonna be going to work at the same job, and that satisfies me. Um And am I I’m okay with that, but sometimes I feel like you judge me a little bit because you’re like, do you not want more? Do you not want more with your life? Do you not want more? And I’m just like, uh no, I’m good Actually, I’m a little overwhelmed most days with like just um life stuff in general. So I don’t really want more on my plate right now. Um I feel like I’m finally just getting on my feet with like I’ve you know, stepkids grown moved out, w you know, whatever. Like there were some rough years and you know that So I feel like things are starting to like okay, like I can take a breath now. And you know, what is our next move after we sell this house? And um where will we end up? I don’t know. That is for to be determined. So, anyways, I have said all that just to say I don’t know what my point is.

Mitchell
I’m just saying You were saying I’m a dreamer.

Scarlet
Yes, okay. And you’re not the only one

Mitchell
Um that sounds like the leader. John Lemon song.

Scarlet
I mean, I have dreams.

Mitchell
Like I would like to have a microphone stand that isn’t true.

Scarlet
I mean I would like to travel more, but then when I think about it I get anxious about it ’cause I’m just like Ah, but I wanna not travel with kids because that sounds awful. And yes, I am a I am a parent and I am saying this, but traveling with kids is no fun. It’s not fun. Okay? It’s just not.

Mitchell
Well, not currently if you’ve been not to make this news. If you go to the airport right now, people. Um which okay. I know that thank you for sharing, by the way We’re uh our episode’s getting close to here’s what I’ll say. Okay. In my Martha Beck book, Beyond Anxiety She talked about uh the chapter I read was about IFS Internal Family Systems. And family systems Deuri I think is what this is based off anyways the idea is that like actually internally we have multiple persons. internally, we all do. And she talked about that’s why you have excuse me, you have the uh the uh person who loves traveling but’s actually an introvert and hates people. Like you know, those two conflicting kind of things. She’s like that’s cause there’s different people and we have to learn Um not that I’m an expert, but we have kind of the idea that you gotta learn. And there is managers. Well there’s the exiles. Those are this trauma. Those are the painful c capsules of people in you that we do other things to ignore because they have some sort of trauma, something bad, whatever whatever it was. Those are the exiles. And so the managers and oh shoot, I already forgot what the other one was. Doesn’t matter There’s two other kinds of people in us that either spin and marvel might be, oh, it’s the perfectionist in you that’s always working towards this That way you don’t have to deal with the exile. And that’s why there’s these kind of conflicting things. And there are therapists who specialize in IFS like therapy for for dealing with this kind of which in my head I was like, oh so we’re all schizophrenic. That’s what I was thinking about. It was like kind of fascinating because you mentioned some things when you have these contrary kind of parts of us like you know like I um whatever. I hate conflict by I love to be uh mean to people. She was talking about kind of the idea of Oh, she was talking about the grounded versus the she didn’t call them dreamers, but some interesting things. Anyways, I should dive more into that.

Scarlet
But I also I mean I don’t know. It’s it’s also like If you look at our zodiac signs, like the Capricorn versus Sagittarius, it’s very, I’m very practical. I’m very goal-driven, goal-oriented. Um uh it’s an earth sign where Sagittarius is Part horse, part man. Uh I think it’s a fire sign.

Mitchell
Oh okay. I thought it was part of a horse though

Scarlet
if I’m not wrong, but also it’s more like um extroverted class clown, um

Mitchell
Right.

Scarlet
Yeah, just opposite of what you are. Yeah, more it’s yeah, also. Um but we make it work But also you can’t force your things on me and vice versa.

Mitchell
Right.

Scarlet
Because it’s just it’s not that’s not gonna work.

Mitchell
Aspirations like mine. I’m gonna say it that way. It’s by what it is, it’s hard for me to imagine. That’s where I struggle. It’s it’s it’s for that’s where I really am. I’m like, I can’t imagine like Like that’s where it’s weird for me. It’s and I’m willing to accept that, but that’s why I’m saying like that just makes me either selfish or poorly uh skilled at empathizing. But it’s like I just like really like you that’s like you don’t have any anything. Like you’re not like wanting the oil paint or like you know that’s what I mean? That’s where it’s strange for me And it’s and I and I admit it as a it’s short-sighted to me, not to be like, well, just because I judge something or whatever doesn’t mean you don’t have something that for you is a fulfilling, satisfying not even a dream, just something like so I go and watch everything. I’m not if it seems like I’m making fun of you or like looking down, that’s not what it is. I just struggle to like comprehend that Does it even make sense what I’m trying to say? It’s like it really is like because it’s so far from who or how I am.

Scarlet
Yeah, you’ve only lived your life.

Mitchell
Okay, the timer had gone off, but folks you can write in, reach out to us, send feedback at scarletandmitchell. com or leave it DM or a comment or a go to the website. I don’t know. Another project I’ve never really finished. It’s alright.

Scarlet
Hello. Yes.

Mitchell
It’s okay. Because I didn’t want to get into you putting things and leaving them there forever. That litter box that’s been in a garage is going to be there forever

Scarlet
You’re like what later box we might have to use it when we go on a trip.

Mitchell
I won’t be using it.

Scarlet
Well not us, but like we might need to pull it out for just to have an extra.

Mitchell
Backup, fair enough. The trip that we’re never taking

Scarlet
Well yes.

Mitchell
Okay. I’m sorry. I love you. Thank you for joining me today. Well Well you know the final words or no? Oh yeah.

Scarlet
No, no final thoughts. I think I’ve said enough. I probably said too much.

Mitchell
No. Set it up. You just look set up. That’s just me in the corner. I don’t never mind. Losing my religion. Yeah, I can’t I can’t remember the lyrics now. That’s all right. Oh well So.

Scarlet
Okay, until next time. I’m Scarlet.

Mitchell
And I’m Mitchell.

Scarlet
And we’re doing the most. Bye.

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